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Q: How long does a typical engagement last?
A: Our experience has shown us that there is
no typical engagement, and no typical organization.
Each organization has different issues, complexities, and expectations
of our work together. Some specialized projects can last as little
as a day. Others might last more than a year.
Q: How do you begin your work?
A: See
How we work, above.
Q: How do you charge? How much do you charge?
A: That depends on the kind of work we do together;
some work is easier to do and doesnt take as long. Because we
work on so many kinds of business issues, its impossible to
tell in advance how long a project will take or what resources it
will require.
We have noticed that the topic of fees comes up quickly in some conversations.
We have found that this can be a way for an organization to disqualify
us in order to avoid looking further at the problems that may need
to be solved.
Q: What industries do you specialize in?
A: We are not big fans of industry specialization
in consulting we have seen a number of problems with that model.
We focus our knowledge and skill on organization Master Systems, which
we discovered 40 years ago, and which we believe control everything
an organization does. Every organization has one, and doesnt
know it. We work in every industry, and we have also worked in every
kind of human organization as part of our research: business organizations,
government, nonprofits, churches, schools and universities, professional
sports teams, and families. This has given us insight that few seem
to have, and has shown us, over and over, that the Master System is
the most powerful force in all human groupings.
Our firm has had a number of other consulting
firms as clients over the years, and we have studied an additional
several dozen firms. We have noted a number of interesting patterns
in the industry:
- Our data suggests that the that most
critical issues in an organization don't have to do with industry
issues; they don't even have to do with so-called "topical"
issues (such as in finance, business model,
marketing, pricing strategy, competitive
position, etc.).
- All the consulting firms that we have
studied (including some of the most highly regarded in the business)
use the same basic intervention strategies as they work
with clients, whether they be collaborative consultants or black
box consultants. Our data shows that these strategies tend
to have low absorption and commitment rates with clients.
- The consulting firms we studied have
the same underlying dynamics that cause their clients to need to
hire them. We have even studied some firms that had deep internal
conflicts, bureaucracies, and political turmoil (some of these are
not large firms, and some of them are the best-known in the world).
We are certainly black sheep in
this regard we do not really share the enthusiasm many firms
have about their work or about the profession. We feel there are many
unseen, undiscussed problems in the profession, even among the best
of us our own firm's heated and difficult internal work has
shown us that. We feel we all have a long way to go.
Q: You say that you can work in any level in an
organization. Doesnt the kind of change you talk about come from
the top?
A: We dont believe so. The common assumption
is that senior management controls the organization, and therefore
senior management initiates and controls significant change. Our data
and our experience simply doesnt support this the Master
System controls senior management and the organization, not the other
way around. We have many examples of client organizations where significant,
lasting change actually was initiated in the middle by disrupting
the Master System, which in turn opened many windows of change throughout
the entire organization.
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